Transcript for "Understanding NSF's Nonfood Compounds and ISO 21469 Certification program": Hi, everyone. Good morning, everyone. So welcome everyone to the webinar, on the understanding NSF Northwell's compound and ISO two one four six nine certification programs. We are super excited to have you here to learn more about the NSF's non food compound program, and I sold, two ones for SIGNA standard and its benefits for the business. So my name is, Achala, and I will be your moderator today. So first of all, I want to cover a few housekeeping item. To ensure the optimal broadcasting efficiently, only speaker will, have a close to the microphone during the webinar. So we encourage you to use, the chat feature, which is located on the right side of your screen, to share your thought or any questions, and we will address them during the q and a session. If you are experiencing any technical difficulties, please try to refresh your browser or check your Internet connection. So, if Pampen persists, please let us know in the chat, and we will assist you as best as we can. So before we try into our webinar, I would like to introduce our, extreme speaker who will provide, valuable insight and expert opinions. So now we have Sam Koh, our global director, full contact evaluation NSF. So as a director of, product certifications, first contact evaluations, Sam Co lead, NSF nonforce certification and evaluation teams. His teams prevent false born illness by certifying and registering commercials and processing full service equipment, food contact, material, and non food compound, also including Rubikens, and other chemicals used in and around food processing area. NSF also serve as a third party profiler for the environmental protection agency, safer choice program. So, let's take a quick look at the agenda for today's sessions. So here is our agenda for today. First, we will go with the NSF and solution for the food industry, Then, an in... Introduction to SO two one four six nine is key requirement. ISO two one four six nine certification process, how NSF support your business, and NSF nonfuse compound certification program, and we will end up with q and a. So now it's about time. I will, moving forward, the next, part of the repina to Sam. Hi, Sam. Hello, and thank you. Good morning, everybody. As Asura said, my name is Sam Cole. I'm the global director of the food contact evaluation programs at NSF, and it's a pleasure to be able to speak to everyone today, about ISO and h one certifications, and just kind of what is the process, what is the requirements, and why is it growing and becoming more popular, and kind of discussing all of those points. So to start, just an introduction to NSF. A lot of you may not be familiar or working with us yet, so I just wanna do a little introduction to the company and who we are. So our mission, we were founded in 1944, and we've been dedicated to protecting and advancing human health ever since. We were founded out of the University of Michigan in, in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Kind of started in the food industry, and since then, we've grown, across a number of different categories, including others such as, like, water, wellness, assurance. And our vision is to be our client's trusted partner for safety, quality, sustainability, brand protection, and growth, leveraging science bank based principles, and developing strategic partnerships, and driving... And data driven insights. So we have got scientists and engineer and toxicologists, lab employees all across the globe, dedicated to delivering our mission. So you can see here kind of NSF by the numbers. What do we do? So we are a certification company. We are also a lab testing company. We are an audit company. So we kinda work all the way across the tick industry. We're also a standard writer, publishing standards and protocols across a number of different food, water, and wellness categories. So, you can kinda see, just in general, and we get to some some of the specifics to the non food compounds registration as we go. But as a company, we have over 680,000 certified products that are on, nsf.org, for people to view. Every year, we complete more than 300,000 audits, more than 3,000 employees working across the world. We've got over a 160 published standards. Just to name a couple of the pieces on the screen here. So, we've been doing this for more than eighty years. The non food compounds program, which we're gonna be talking about today, is something that NSF took over starting in 1998. It was originally, formed in the USDA. We partnered with them and then kinda brought it over to us. And the ISO standard specifically was developed in the early two thousands, and we added that in along with the h one. So here you can kind of see, those different verticals I was talking about as far as the industries we work across. Our work across food, water, and wellness, is really grounded in independent science based testing, health risk assessments, inspections, certifications, standards, developing advisory services. So, across all of these groups, we work to protect consumers and brands, while supporting, safe introduction of product into the market. So in this case, we're gonna be talking about lubricants and greases and other chemicals. But what that certification means to the food industry, in the production of of of human health, when used correctly. So see, these are some of the brands that we work with, as far as our different audit programs and everything else. So, you know, we have a unique perspective. We work with a lot of the food processors and auditing their facilities, get a chance to have a lot of conversations with them about what's important to them, what they're seeing, what the industry trends are from that side, as well as working with all of our lubricant manufacturers and really understanding their needs, their trends, and really kind of connecting and almost that that farm to fork mentality, working with all the way down to agriculture to the end user restaurant and understanding the food chain across the way. Here's just where we're located, like I mentioned globally, in a lot of different countries, a lot of different offices, a lot of different labs, being able to serve, all of our audit and certification services. So you can find out more by visiting that website I mentioned a second ago, nsf.org. There you can see all of the listed products for non food compounds in the white book or read some information about us or the different services. Lots of different information you can find there. So that's who we are. That's what we do. That's why we're here talking with everybody today, to kind of give you some information. So moving into, ISO two one four six nine. What is it? What is the process, and why is it important? So starting off in in the food processing world, lubricants used on the different machinery and equipments within the food processing facilities. The global standard is kind of what's called h one, for our non food compounds. That's lubricants and greases for incidental food contact. There's also h two for non food contact, used in other parts of the facility, and then h three, which is a registration for lubricants that are used kind of out of the manufacturing area. So ISO 21,469, which is a certification for food grade lubricants for incidental contact, only h one products can be certified to ISO 21,469. So what is the background? As I mentioned earlier, published in the early two thousands, it was published in 2006, and the first ISO certification was delivered in 2008. Minimal changes, have been made, since the standard was launched. We've been working with it since the beginning. So we are definitely experts in this standard. You know, it's directly connected to the the h one, in the original kind of program that we're also registering everybody to. So we've definitely been working across these registrations and, with these products since the very beginning. We're seeing more and more legislation start to come into place. We talked why might ISO be important. There are countries that are starting to require ISO certification on the food grade lubricants being used in food processing, kind of over the h one. Right? So, like, Brazil, United Arab Emirates. But there are another... Of other countries that are considering it, in discussions on it, or don't necessarily have a a regulation around the lubricants, so they're following what some of these other countries are doing and just requiring the same. So we're starting to see more demand from that standpoint. We're also starting to see more demand from the food, processors specifically. So, you know, it's kind of been the standard, for almost thirty years when food processors were requesting and specking lubricants, that they were asking for h one. But we're starting to see that larger percentage, and we'll under... I go through it in a second as to why. The ISO has additional parts of the certification, so that's what people are starting to request for that additional kind of just heightened overall certification on the products that they're sourcing. So ISO two one four six nine is globally recognized product based standard for lubricants. It's important to note that it is not a quality management system. So a lot of the ISO certifications, like ISO 9,001, is a system or a facility certification. ISO is... ISO two one four six nine is specific to the actual product, like by trade name. It's important that if you're looking at ISO two two one four six nine certification with somebody, there are companies that try to do it, as like a a facility certification. That is not the same thing. It's important that as we go through the requirements, you know, that you're going with somebody that has the testing capabilities and the audit capabilities and everything incorporated. Because if you don't have any of those pieces in place, then the product is not actually ISO two one four six nine certified. So this is an example when you go through a certification process of the letter that you would receive afterwards, which lists the the individual product trade name as well as the specific information. Right? So this tracks back to the fact that it is not a facility, or a system audit. It's linked to the individual trade name that we're certifying. And the same thing with the white book, which is where all of the products go on the NSF website when they're certified, it's gonna be listed in there by trade name, not by facility or company name. That information is in there, but it's linked directly to the product the product trade name. Okay. So starting to get into the details of what is required for ISO two one four six nine. So there is a prerequisite that the manufacturing facility does have to have ISO 9,001. Then from there, there is an on-site audit piece, which is different from, like, an h one registration. This is an ISO requirement. There is both initial and an annual audit. There is a risk assessment process, which includes manufacturing, handling storage, use and replenishment, formulation review, which is very similar to what we would do for an h one registration. And then there is also testing required. So the testing, the risk assessment, and the on-site audit are really the different pieces for an ISO certification that kind of give it that extra level on top of an h one registration. So I mentioned in the other slide, ISO 9,001 is a prerequisite. So why is it why is it required before we could even look at getting an ISO 21,469 certification? So ISO 9,001 helps lay the foundation, for ISO 21,469 by performing a uniform set of management system requirements. So a focus on quality management is already in place in the facility, continuous business improvement, improved product, process, and service quality. So a big part of the risk assessment that we do in an ISO 21,469 certification is really laid out on these principles. So the 9,001 prerequisite, is in place in the ISO standard, to make sure that all of those requirements are being met. So what is the NSF review process for ISO two one four six nine? So as I mentioned quite a bit earlier, it is product based. Right? So not a facility. If you have a product category that maybe has 10 different trade names, we're gonna look at each of those individual trade names and make sure that it meets all of these requirements. So the first is gonna be a full formulation review. Looking at it ingredient by ingredient, what exactly is put into the lubricant. Then there's the initial, audit that's gonna happen, in the initial certification and then ongoing unannounced annual audits each year after certificate... Certification is completed, the risk assessment, and then really the, the product testing and then the label reviews. So what are... Starting to dive into the key requirements for each of those steps. So the formulation review. I mentioned kind of starting off. That first step is really getting that formulation, and we're gonna look at it ingredient by ingredient. So who is the supplier of that ingredient? What is the trade designation, certificates of analysis, chemical name, cast name, and then percentages, of the formulation. Right? So, like, your trade names may just vary a little bit by, like, the base oil that's being used or another component within. So each trade name, what is the percentage range range of the ingredients that are going in? What is the percentage of that composition? And then what are the appropriate regulatory references? Right? So this is the same formulation review that we do for an h one registration. So if you currently have h one registered products, we'd just be able to use that formulation on file. If you're just starting out in kind of like food grade or just starting to work with NSF, you can get both h one and ISO two one four six nine at the same time using that same formulation review. And then moving forward annually or anytime you make an update to that formulation, it's just notifying us so that we can rereview those changes and make sure that it still meets, all of the individual requirements for certification or registration. So the next step is the label review. Right? So we have an example label, on the screen here that you may see on on on the side of a drum or a container, that your product is shipped in. And ISO requires that we verify quite a few things that go on to that label. Right? So the company name, the trade name, mark, ingredients, conflicting information, product location, storage conditions, just to kinda name a few. But I'm gonna go through each of those individually so that we can take a look and see what exactly that looks like, but also why it's required within the standard. So the main purpose of the requirements that go into the labeling is traceability. So if there's a a recall or a contamination or something that happens, all of the information needs to appear on the specific label, so that it can be traced back to where it was manufactured. So that is one of the main differences between an h one registration and ISO 21,469 is that it's also done at the facility level. Right? So your company may manufacture a lubricant at two or three manufacturing plants around the world with the same formulation, the same trade name, same everything. So for an h one registration, it's just kind of done at the formulation level. However, for ISO, it's actually linked to each production facility because each one's gonna have its own risk assessment. Each one's gonna have its own audit. So there are additional requirements that go into that. So the company name and the trade name are kind of like the main pieces of information to start it off. You know, the who made it, what is it called. But then you start to get into production location. So... And it doesn't need to be like a a physical address. We can use mass facility names. So that way, you know, you know, you're not giving a specific location, but, you know, it could be called Facility 1, Facility 2, Facility 3. But in our system connected behind the scenes, we know, like, what is the address of Facility 1. So if there ever was a recall or an issue or a concern, we can look at that label and figure out, oh, it was made at Facility one. There's also a product identifier that's required for the traceability, so like a batch number. So they can be traced back to when was it made. You know, what was the date? What was the run that it was done on? So if there is a problem, we can then kind of look back at all of the the lubricants or greases that were kind of made within that product run, within that batch, and be able to kind of recall those specific those specific batch lubricants. Okay. So then the next requirement is suitability, as incidental contact. Right? So it needs to be labeled on there that it is basically that food grade, incidental contact suitable. So on the registration side, that's kind of the difference between h one, h two, and h three. So as an ISO two one four six nine, like I said upfront, that can only be done on an h one. So it needs to be clearly labeled that it is for incidental food contact. An expiration date, just to make sure that if it's sitting on a shelf, it doesn't go past that period. It still, you know, performs. Nothing's happened while it's been sitting there as far as the formulation, and and any chemical changes within it. Storage conditions, this is a big part, like, of that date is, you know, it needs to be within that expiration date, but it also needs to be stored correctly. So in a covered area, in a dry place, these temperatures, all of that is required to be on the label. So any restrictions that may come along with it, are also required, by the ISO standard, and then the NSF mark. And if you look down below it in the box for anybody that's got, h one or other categories registered with NSF, you've got the similar box and it'll say h one underneath. Now it's gonna say h one registered plus ISO two one four six nine certified. So that's... We've kind of covered the formulation and what's required there. Very similar to what we do for an h one registration. We've covered, like, the labeling process and what's required for that. The next, step for ISO certification is that product testing. Right? And these are one of the use... Those categories that I call out as a difference between h one and ISO. So it is written into the ISO two one four six nine standard. The testing is required. An FTIR testing is conducted on each sample. So for initial certification, you know, I'll go back to the example I used before. If you have a product line with 10 lubricants within it, we're gonna have to test each one of those 10 lubricants. Then from there, once they're certified, it's monitor testing. So we test again once every four years. The testing is designed, to ensure consistency in the manufacturing process. So I'll go into what FTIR testing is in a second, but that's kind of the the principle behind why this testing is selected. And then it's important to note, I guess, that, you know, we have had our our lab in The US that does this FTIR testing for a while, but we're continuing to add additional lab locations. Most recently, we opened up our our lab in Germany, to continue to kinda support the global market. So not every sample is having to be sent back to The US. So I had said that I'd go a little more into what the FTIR testing is. So here's a little bit of a breakdown. So the samples undergo the FTIR testing, which is identification reference, spectrum against a sample spectrum. So, like, so there's a reference and then a sample that we're testing. So, really, what it's designed to do is consistency of batches over time, and passing criteria is a 97% match. So what that means is when you get, like, your initial certification, we're gonna request two samples from two different batches. One of them will kind of be our our reference sample, and one will be, like, our actual, like, test sample, and we'll compare the two to make sure they're similar. Once initial certification is done, we save those testing records on file. So four years later, when you're required to send another sample, we're going to test that trade name against the last test to confirm that they're within that 97% match. So on that annual randomly selected sample basis, you're gonna receive, like, a letter from your project manager saying these are the samples we need to test, and and you'll ship them in, and and that's what the FTIR test is confirming. So the next step, and this is one of those others that I kind of mentioned is a difference from h one registration, is the risk assessment. Right? So what a risk what a risk assessment includes, is the measures and controls preventing lubricant contamination, service age, and and changes to the product. The product may undergo and use foreseeable misuse of the product, updates as far as process change or annual corrective actions. And what we verify that kind of comes out of those risk assessments is, is there a strategy, for selecting hygienic measures within the manufacturing facility? Are there resolutions for nonconformances, or have they gone unaddressed? And prior to certification, you know, there's a form that will be sent where you're kind of going through and answering all these risk assessment questions. So we're gonna do a full review of that risk assessment. So what are the risk assessment phases? You know, we kind of look at them in buckets. So the first is the manufacturing process. So the formulation of ingredients, material sources, you know, and we also cover that in the formulation review when we do it. But is it a compounding or a blending or, you know, what is the processing that goes into that? Prepackaging, contaminant, bulk holding, all of those things are kind of looked at from a risk standpoint within manufacturing as well as the packaging materials, the process, and the equipment. The second bucket is kind of handling and transport of the lubricant. So how is it how is it transported or shipped? You know, what is the shelf life? Like, we've got the expiration date on the label. Are there requirements and and policies in place around that? And is there any, like, repackaging? Does it come from a bulk container into smaller containers? Or what exactly is the transport process? And then kind of the use use replenishment is the last bucket. So what is the lubricant use and application? You know, in this case, it... It's gonna be for incidental contact. What is the service age and range, and what are the foreseeable misuse of the lubricant? Like, is it unclear in any way? Could it be used for a wrong application? Those are all parts of the the risk assessment and all of the questions that we're gonna ask and review in that risk assessment form that we send you. Okay? So the next step is the auto. This is the third piece that I said was different from registration to ISO certification. So, again, if you've kind of got h one products, this would be, like, the third piece that would really stand out as a difference. So there is an initial and an annual audit, that happened as part of the certification. The initial audit is geared more towards, like, educational, maybe the best way to put it. We're gonna come out. It's gonna be scheduled. We're gonna go through, like, the program policies, the requirements of ISO certification. We're gonna look at all of the documents. We're gonna look at the manufacturing facility. We're gonna walk it with you so that you understand. And then if there are any, like, changes or corrective actions that come out of that, we can address it before certification. Then moving forward in that annual unannounced audit, we'll be coming back in to verify all those same things and and nothing has changed. If there are any changes, corrective actions will be issued. They go to your NSF account online through NSF Connect, and you provide responses to we've made this change, we've corrected this, we've done this, and then they are approved, and the certification continues. So ongoing compliance better together. Right? So, really, you know, calling out here kind of the different steps. But I think most importantly, what we can think about here is from the start of this process all the way to the end and then ongoing, NSF is here to help you. Right? Like, we're we're in this together. We'll help you through the certification requirements, understand the standard itself, and then be here to answer any questions. So if you're making a change or you wanna change your manufacturing process, you've got a dedicated project manager assigned. You can reach out and ask them any of those questions, like, anytime to make sure that, you understand all of the requirements and everything else, and and and we'll work on this together. So throughout this quite a bit, I've kind of made comparisons between h one and ISO. This is just a very simple chart that kind of shows those differences. So both of them require a formulation review. You know, we're gonna look at the same things. We're gonna look at it, you know, on that slide I showed, all of the different pieces for each ingredient that's being used. You know, what is the chemical trade name, the CASP number, the regulatory reference, you know, what is the the percentage and the range and the composition? All of that is the same, between the ISO two one forty six... Two one four six nine certification and the h one registration. And then the label review happens in both of these as well. Now the requirements are slightly different, but it's a very similar process. For testing, it's very rare, that we would ever have to test on an h one registration. It would be more along the lines if there's an ingredient being used that maybe isn't listed in regulation as acceptable or unacceptable, and we would have to do testing to verify or some unique situation like that. So, really, testing is only required for the ISO two one four six nine as well as the the audit, the annual testing, and then that certification mark that varies is obviously different between the two as well. So, you know, I think when I look at this slide, what I really think about is... And I mentioned it upfront, more and more food processors are starting to request ISO 21,469. And this is... These are a lot of the reasons why. Right? Is they wanna make sure, that they're protecting themselves from any litigation, you know, when it comes to using, like, a food grade lubricant in a food processing facility. You know, there is risk for the food processor, in in what exactly is going into that lubricant, and they just wanna make sure that they're taking the highest level of, okay. We know that this was honored at annually. We know that it was tested. We're looking for those extra pieces on top of an h one registration just to give us that extra comfort level, and that's kind of what we're hearing from the different processing clients and why we're starting to see an increase in demand for this. Okay. So some considerations kind of going back to almost where I started with the ISO is Brazil, UAE. We're starting to see these country legislations coming into effect. You know? And I think about over the last five years, even the last two years this year alone, we are starting to see a lot more regulation, which is impacting our industry, whether it be like a a PFAS or a MOA or some of the... The the other legislation that we're starting to see go into effect. ISO is kind of right there with it. Right? So I would expect over the next couple of years and definitely over the next five, we see more and more countries kind of adapting this as a requirement. So manufacturing and importing, plan dialogue to ensure consistency, verifying that requirements are being met, these are all parts that kind of go into ISO two one four six nine certification, kinda connecting to why we're seeing that increase, from from the food production world. And then it just creates transparency. Right? So end users and manufacturers can all refer back to the standard. They know that it was tested. They know that all of these pieces happened, and it's very repeatable across the lubricant industry. Everybody who has ISO two one four six nine has gone through the same process. So one other piece that we did wanna talk through, especially if you're somebody that's just getting into, like, the food grade lubricant world. You know? Maybe you're you're just starting up as a company, or maybe you've been focused on automotive or wind turbine or a lot of other industries. And we're definitely seeing a shift globally, to a lot more companies, in a lot of different countries starting to get into food grade lubricant manufacturing. Food grade as an industry, is really, taking off and growing over the last couple of years. We're seeing a huge increase in food production as the restaurant industry grows, as the population grows, as the demand for food. All of those things are kind of creating the spike. So if you're somebody that's just starting out, and you don't have h one certification yet, I kinda wanted to walk through that as well. So we've talked a lot about ISO, which is, you know, kind of the the the top step. But the the global requirement around food food processing is that the lubricant needs to be h one registered. So I wanted to talk through that, to understand exactly what is required. So to be registered with NSF as a as a food grade lubricant... Or really, I've got a lot of different product categories on the screen here. The registration continues to follow that USDA product approval, from where it started before we took it over. Right? So there's the different product category codes, that are linked to the specific program, that the chemical, lubricant, or grease will be registered to. And it's based based on meeting the applicable regulatory requirements, in FDA 21 CFR one seventy eight, dot thirty five seventy. Right? So h one is kind of what we've been talking a lot about today, but there's also h two and h three, all for the food production world. There's heat transfer category codes, h t one and two. There's release agents in three h, as well as metalworking fluids, mold release. In total, there's more than a 130 category codes that we register to under the non food compounds program. So, a lot of different categories, within within this program all related to those FDA 21 CFR requirements. So what is the registration process? It's kind of the inverse of what I was talking about earlier. Right? Like, I talked a lot about what are the additional steps for ISO. So for h one, it's really those beginning steps. So it's a three stage process. There is that formulation review where we're gonna look at it at an ingredient level, percentages, range, chemical names, all of those requirements. There is the label review where we're gonna make sure, that the label has the trade name, the company name. There are no misleading claims on there. All of those things are verified on the label. And then there's a traceability review. So what is the certification process? So, really, for ISO and for, like, an h one registration, the process is the same. So step one is submitting your application. We're gonna send you documents to complete. One's gonna be for the formulation. Other's gonna be, like, company information, kinda collecting all of that upfront so that we can do an initial review, confirm that everything is complete, and we have what we need. And then from there, the formulation is gonna go to our our toxicology team, where they're gonna go through, and they're gonna do that formulation review in compliance with the the 21 CFR requirements. They're also gonna do the label review to make sure that it meets all of the requirements from the program policy, and then also look at for ISO, that risk assessment. Then really it kind of moves into step four where... And this is kind of ISO specific. So both of them are are in here, so not... Little bit confusing. But really for steps four and five, ISO specific. And the formulation review, the audit, and the testing all happen simultaneously. So it definitely saves quite a bit of time that all of these things are happening in tandem. But while we're reviewing the formulation, we're gonna have an auditor come out and do that, plant on it. We're gonna conduct the testing in our lab. And then after all of those three things are done, testing is passed, formulation is passed, then congratulations. You're certified with NSF. So kind of another h one ISO comparison, Kinda just giving the detail behind it. So I'm not gonna go through all of these, like, read all the words on the screen to everybody. It's really kind of a recap of everything that we've talked about. Formulation review, you can kinda see on both, is the same. So the same requirement, to the same 21 CFR, sections and code, label review for non food, versus the label review, slightly different requirements. Testing required for ISO, risk assessment, no risk assessment, audit, no audit. But this is a good comparison. And I know in the the documents file or in the documents tab on this webinar, we do have a number of different documents that everybody can look at and download, and it gives some really good breakdowns of of what the differences are between the h one registration and the ISO certification. So I don't remember if we mentioned that upfront, so I'm making sure we mention it now. So definitely, in between the chat and the q and a features in that panel, if you click on docs, check those out and download them, so that you can take them with you. So I talked about the white book kind of in, like, the first slide as we were starting, but kind of bringing it back. So when registration or certification is completed, on nsf.org under our search certified products, like, button up in the top right corner, it will take you to the NSF white book. We have over 30,000 registered products in there in our non food compounds program. That number grows every year. More than 65 different countries are represented, from all of our different lubricant, grease, and chemical manufacturers, and over a 110 categories are listed in there. By 2030, the global market, for industrial cleaning chemicals, lubricants, and greases is estimated to reach a 63,100,000,000. So that just connects back to the... What I was talking about a second ago is the food processing world is really growing right now. So the food grade lubricant world is really growing right now, and we're definitely here to help and support. So from there, I know that we've had some questions come in as I've been talking. I've seen them, kinda coming into the ticker. First, just thank you everyone, for listening, and and and hearing what we had to talk about today. So thank you very much. I've enjoyed kinda giving the presentation, and I look forward to answering some of the questions. So, what has the audience been asking? Fire away. Thank you, Sam, for the insightful. So now we will open the floor for questions. So please feel free to type your question into the chat box, and we will do our best to answer as many as we can in the next fifteen and twenty minutes. By looking at the chat box, I... Now we have the first question from Carlos. The question is, does it ingredients have to be manual factor in an ISO two one four six nine, certified facilities? I. give... User. Yeah. So kind of. And I'm gonna I'm gonna answer this in a a couple of different ways to make sure I cover it because I wanna make sure I understand it correctly. So for ISO two one four six nine certification, it is not specific to that facility. It is specific to the individual lubricant trade name. During the certification process, we do identify which facility it's it's being manufactured at. So when a product is certified, it's only certified for that facility. So if you manufacture lubricant a b c one two three at three different facilities, then we need to certify that trade name at each. Now in the question, I think you had mentioned, does each ingredient... The individual ingredients that are used in the manufacturing of a lubricant do not need to be certified. When we look at that formulation, we're gonna collect all of that information, and we're gonna review it against the the the compliance requirements and everything like that. So although individual ingredients can be certified, it is not a requirement for each ingredient to be certified. So, putting it all together, each ISO certification is for a specific trade name at a specific manufacturing location. And then we're just gonna review the entire formulation, and then it's then connected to that trade name at that facility. Thank you, Sam, for the answer. We also have a few questions from the webinar. What are the potential consequence of using noncomplicated Rubicon in food processing equipment? Okay. What are the potential consequences of using noncompliant lubricants, Yeah. in a food process. So that kind of comes back to what I was talking about as far as why we're seeing, an increase in demand from food processors. Right? So if they're using a noncompliant lubricant, that's not registered or certified, for incidental food contact, there can be food recalls. There can be food production shutdowns. There can be litigation, fines, a number of different things. So, food producers go through, you know, a series of different audits to ensure that everything in their manufacturing facility is compliant. And if they're not meeting any of the required legislations or any of the the required food grade processes, it can be very costly, for a food producer. So, you know, that's why they require when they're specking it, h one, that's why we're starting to see more of the ISO is because they want that extra. You know, there are different testing programs and processes in some countries. You know, there are a lot of other food customers that are kind of testing their product. It's just... There's a lot more kind of legislation around those pieces that are really looking at it. So it it it could be a big deal if the if the wrong wrong lubricant is being used for sure. Thank you, Sam. So we're moving forward to the next question. Which industry can benefit most from ISO two one four six nine certifications? So, I mean, I would say the food industry in particular, but that's also one of the differences between ISO 21,469 and h one. So h one is specific to food production for incidental food contact. ISO 21,469 is used in food production, but also pharmaceutical, cosmetics, a number of industries. And it's a it's a requirement across the board for those. So if you were making a lubricant that has ISO two one four six nine, it's definitely from, like, a marketing standpoint for you guys from, like, an industry introduction. Having the ISO two one four six nine does open up, the categories that you can sell your your lubricants into outside of just the food production world, which is what h one is is designed for. Do we have any more questions? Oh, sorry. Yeah. We have, more question from the chat. okay. What else incidental contact means? What's percentage? I'm sorry. Can you repeat that question? what does incident tall contact means what's, presented? yeah. Yep. So what incidental food contact means is it's used on the manufacturing and the process equipment, and intended not to come in direct contact with food. So it's important to note that either an h one registration or an ISO 21,469 certification is not certifying, you know, that it's a food product. It cannot be put into the food. It cannot be in direct contact with the food. And is not a a consumable product. So incidental contact basically just means if it's on, like, the bearings of a conveyor belt or something like that, and it happens to drip into food, that it is food safe. That's kind of where food grade comes from and why it's called incidental contact, is an h one lubricant cannot be, like, lubricating the conveyor belt itself that the food product is sitting on. Thank you. The next one is, what type of manufacturing control, invalidate during an ISO two one four six nine audit? So, really, it's it's the good manufacturing processes. It's kinda... It comes back to making sure that there are are systems and processes in place for quality control. Repeatable processes, that between manufacturing runs, like, if if your lubricant facility makes an automotive product as well as, like, a food grade product, that there is, like, a decontamination process in between to make sure that there's no contamination between the two two different formulations or product lines. It's making sure that there is strong documentation in place, a kind of... Starting from manufacturing all the way to transport. It... It's really identifying all of the control... Quality control steps that go in to make sure that what exactly is in the formulation is what ends up in the product, that, the safety requirements are met as far as expiration date, storage, and all of those pieces. So that's really kind of, like, a high level, but the best way to kind of put it is just a good quality management process. Thanks, Sam, for the insightful explanations. The next one is is ISO two one four six nine applicable only to food manufacturing facilities? So... No. That kinda connects to what we were talking about a a second ago as far as the difference between h one and ISO two one four six nine, is that it is it is the required standard in several industries. So, like, pharmaceuticals, cosmetics, trying to think if there are any others. But, again, all kind of... You know, in the pharmaceutical industry, obviously, again, not used directly on the manufacturing of any pharmaceuticals, but in the production lines and everything. Anything where, like, incidental contact could be harmful from, like, a human consumption standpoint. So even, like, with the cosmetics, you know, you're you're putting lipstick on or blush. Any type of makeup that kinda goes on your face, they have the same requirements for ISO 21,469 to make sure that there is no incidental contact, drippage, anything like that that could then get into a product, that's either ingested into the body, or put onto, like, the skin. Okay. We have another one. Can pharmaceutical and cosmetic manufacturer benefits from ISO two one four six nine certifications? Yes. Yep. Yeah. So, I mean, we've kind of gone through that one a little bit, but, I mean, what I would say is, yeah, anybody that manufactures currently in all three or if you're doing food grade right now and you're looking to kind of get into additional markets, switching and adding ISO two one four six nine definitely expands, the markets and the categories that you would be able to to market and sell into, including cosmetics and pharmaceuticals. Thank you, Sam. Let me tell... We have one more question left. Interesting one. How can we... How can equipment manufacturer label it ISO two one four six nine certified ruby cans? Leverage ISO two one four six nine. Okay. So I think the the biggest thing is it is definitely a market differentiator. Right? So, you know, I know... And I won't necessarily give any names, but there are a number of major, food production companies that require ISO two one four six nine. So one, if you're looking to kind of expand, the client base that you sell to, having ISO two one four six nine definitely opens up. But it's also a competitive advantage. Right? So if you're going to, a food production or a cosmetic or a pharmaceutical company, in trying to gain their business. And it... It's you going up against somebody else, and they've got h one and you've got h one and ISO two one four six nine. It's definitely something you can market, and use to your advantage. And, like, your literature, your brochures, your website, your sales team can kind of take it out there, and use those to kind of win that additional business, both for those that require it, but as a competitive advantage for those that don't. So it's definitely a differentiator. Thank you, Sam. Yep. I I check is no more question in the list. So thanks, Sam, again, for the insightful explanations. Now, let's move to the next slide. Alright. So, let's, we will have the next webinar on PFAS free, first grade lubricants prepare for the new era of supply chains compaction in December. So please feel free to join us. We will send a link to everyone later. Yep. And what I will say on this one is just to differentiate. This is directly connected to the new PPWR, legislation that just went into effect in Europe last month. So it's something we've been getting asked a lot about from, the lubricant industry or what are these new requirements? They just came into effect. What do we need to do to comply with them? And and just kind of what are the steps? Can you tell us more about it? So, you know, we've got our our government government affairs team in Brussels, putting it together, definitely breaking down the legislation. It's gonna be a really good one. 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